I have TR160 that I got recently. I noticed that it has homed to 2 different positions on the B axis when running the start up routine. Anyone else seen this issue? Does haas use an absolute encoder on the B axis or is there a home sensor? It seems the only cause could be a loose part.
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b axis homed to different position
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HAAS ST20 G42 cutting a taper
Hi guys,
I've been cutting some shafts today on my ST-20 and I've come across a bit of an anomaly I can't figure out - I'm hoping someone with a bit more experience may be able to shed some light for me!
Program goes as follows:
N100 G00 X34.6;
G01 G42 Z0. F0.12;
X34.8 Z-0.1;
Z-100.;
X35.8;
X36. Z-100.1;
Z-406. ,R0.600;
N200 G00 G40 X42;
Now for some reason on the Z-406 move it cuts a programmed 0.234 mm taper and this is displayed in the "distance to go" positions screen as it counts down to 0 when Z reaches -406. If you remove the G42 line entirely it cuts straight but the 0.1 chamfers are missed due to the tool nose radius.
At first I thought maybe a taper correction was programmed somewhere but I can't see an option for it on the tool offsets or in a settings search for taper. What's also puzzling is that this does not happen on the X34.8 mm diameter, only the X36.0 mm diameter.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
I've been cutting some shafts today on my ST-20 and I've come across a bit of an anomaly I can't figure out - I'm hoping someone with a bit more experience may be able to shed some light for me!
Program goes as follows:
N100 G00 X34.6;
G01 G42 Z0. F0.12;
X34.8 Z-0.1;
Z-100.;
X35.8;
X36. Z-100.1;
Z-406. ,R0.600;
N200 G00 G40 X42;
Now for some reason on the Z-406 move it cuts a programmed 0.234 mm taper and this is displayed in the "distance to go" positions screen as it counts down to 0 when Z reaches -406. If you remove the G42 line entirely it cuts straight but the 0.1 chamfers are missed due to the tool nose radius.
At first I thought maybe a taper correction was programmed somewhere but I can't see an option for it on the tool offsets or in a settings search for taper. What's also puzzling is that this does not happen on the X34.8 mm diameter, only the X36.0 mm diameter.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Trt160 or 210 5 axis?
I'm considering getting a trt 160 or 210 for my vf-2ssyt to expand my capabilities. At first glance the 210 seems like the way to go and I seen it mounted on the same machine in a Haas demo video, but are there any surprises to watch out for as far as the size? For example the platter is bigger but is there some other limitation that won't let me take advantage of that on my machine? The 160 seems seems like it be less annoying to setup and gives more space for a other setups? If I had the space I'd probably just save up for a umc, but just would like to be able to make more complex parts and 3+2 to save on setups for simpler parts. Any thoughts are appreciated.
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Large tool designation and probe diameter
Two questions I loaded up my face mill that is about 3.375 od and I pressed l for large and the adjacent pockets updated to empty as they were. When I tried to store the tool it stored it next to a holder with a tool in it. It seemed something off but it was a .125 end mill so I figured it stored it there bc the controller know it would fit.
So a little bit later I add a 3 shoulder mill and its a tad over 3 so I try to label it as large and the controller says invalid input when I press the L key so I figured all was good and stored the tool.
Well right after that I try to call up my probe, which is t31 and the controller alarms out but I cant remember the damn code. It shows the probe right there as tool 31 on the offsets page and the toll was in pocket 22 but wouldnt pull it up so I removed and moved to t1. Now when that happened I started to think about the 3.375 tool so removed and moved it to pocket 16 where there are no tools and when I try to designate it as a large tool it wont let me. Its highlighted along with heavy but can only select heavy and does nothing when I try to select large. So I go to my offsets page and notice all of my tools have been scrambled around from t1 in t2 holder t2 in t3 holder and took 3 in tool pocket 4 and so on but correspond with where they actually are when you look at the tool pocket wheel. So my question is had anyone had this problem?
Also should the probe show a diameter on the offsets page? It displays the length but not the diameter and seems like it would since its suppose to be calibrated for both and since well the length is displayed.
Im going to call the HFO this morning but just wanted to hear from you guys
So a little bit later I add a 3 shoulder mill and its a tad over 3 so I try to label it as large and the controller says invalid input when I press the L key so I figured all was good and stored the tool.
Well right after that I try to call up my probe, which is t31 and the controller alarms out but I cant remember the damn code. It shows the probe right there as tool 31 on the offsets page and the toll was in pocket 22 but wouldnt pull it up so I removed and moved to t1. Now when that happened I started to think about the 3.375 tool so removed and moved it to pocket 16 where there are no tools and when I try to designate it as a large tool it wont let me. Its highlighted along with heavy but can only select heavy and does nothing when I try to select large. So I go to my offsets page and notice all of my tools have been scrambled around from t1 in t2 holder t2 in t3 holder and took 3 in tool pocket 4 and so on but correspond with where they actually are when you look at the tool pocket wheel. So my question is had anyone had this problem?
Also should the probe show a diameter on the offsets page? It displays the length but not the diameter and seems like it would since its suppose to be calibrated for both and since well the length is displayed.
Im going to call the HFO this morning but just wanted to hear from you guys
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EC500 Macro Issue
All we have an older EC500 that we are trying to run a tool life macro on for high production work. We have attempted to hand type the macro in along with pull the two different macro programs over from a floppy disk. When typing the macro in you can't get past an IF statement as the machine says invalid code. If you pull the macro program over from the floppy disk it put ( ) around each line. Is there a parameter that needs to be turned on for the machine to read our tool life macro?
Our newer EC400's and EC500 don't have a problem with reading the same macro so I assume that there is a parameter that needs to be turned on or off. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Our newer EC400's and EC500 don't have a problem with reading the same macro so I assume that there is a parameter that needs to be turned on or off. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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75 mm Air Vise
Does anyone have the Haas 75mm Air Vise for the TRT210? We are looking for some dimensions for a non-standard use.
75 mm Air Vise
75 mm Air Vise
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Rotary HRT/TRT xxx (160) w/ ugly backlash- R&R w/ Haas or can you self repair?
Hi Everyone,
latest issue; Haas VF/4 1998 w/ the RED TRT210.
(Which is a conjoined 310 and 210 this kid is telling me.)
The B platter. smaller has 1.5 thou Haas air/how-to doc backlash test and .003 if you indicate and just turn the wheel.
I have the original paperwork with the unit from new. listed as .0002 when new on the yellow Haas sheet from 1997?
Soooooo When we dumped the fluid on B- It looked like dirty motor oil. I assuemd someone filled w/ the wrong fluid? Saw a Haas doc today that said something about a bad seal and fast wear and backlash cause.
Anyway- It needs to be repaired. Do you find sending it into CA is the way to go, or try to get the parts and fix yourselves?
Or does anyone know if there really is anything to 'adjust' inside. I see a bit of both on the threads and searches. Most say no... but there are a few that note an adjustment screw? (Son is telling me).
TIA!
latest issue; Haas VF/4 1998 w/ the RED TRT210.
(Which is a conjoined 310 and 210 this kid is telling me.)
The B platter. smaller has 1.5 thou Haas air/how-to doc backlash test and .003 if you indicate and just turn the wheel.
I have the original paperwork with the unit from new. listed as .0002 when new on the yellow Haas sheet from 1997?
Soooooo When we dumped the fluid on B- It looked like dirty motor oil. I assuemd someone filled w/ the wrong fluid? Saw a Haas doc today that said something about a bad seal and fast wear and backlash cause.
Anyway- It needs to be repaired. Do you find sending it into CA is the way to go, or try to get the parts and fix yourselves?
Or does anyone know if there really is anything to 'adjust' inside. I see a bit of both on the threads and searches. Most say no... but there are a few that note an adjustment screw? (Son is telling me).
TIA!
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Tool offsets not working or has it just been too long away from a mill for me
Well we recently got ourselves a used HAAS Supermini and this is my first time running a HAAS. I am a bit embarrassed that I am so stumped on what should be a very simple thing. Either I am oblivious to something simple or there is a setting or something I don't understand about this machine.
To put it simply, when I change a tool offset value nothing seems to change. Simple example, if I go to Z0 with T1 H1 and then change it's offset value and repeat G1 Z0 nothing moves. Somebody please tell me what I am missing here before either the table or my forehead win this battle.
To put it simply, when I change a tool offset value nothing seems to change. Simple example, if I go to Z0 with T1 H1 and then change it's offset value and repeat G1 Z0 nothing moves. Somebody please tell me what I am missing here before either the table or my forehead win this battle.
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How to set contour overlap on Haas machine?
Machine is older, it is actually Mikron Haas VCE 500, but the control is very similar/equal to newer Haas mills.
We have problem with this machine that it doesnt finish contour (toolpath) very precise, for example if you make a circle it will leave a small amount of material around start/end point of mill toolpath (circle).
So we deal with this in CAM software, to extend this toolpath for example by 2mm... or make 2 circles instead of one.
But this problem occurs only on this older Haas machine, we have 2 newer and they dont have this problem.
Is there a parameter or setting on the machine which could overlap this contour for some amount so this problem wouldnt occur?
Thanks in advance.
We have problem with this machine that it doesnt finish contour (toolpath) very precise, for example if you make a circle it will leave a small amount of material around start/end point of mill toolpath (circle).
So we deal with this in CAM software, to extend this toolpath for example by 2mm... or make 2 circles instead of one.
But this problem occurs only on this older Haas machine, we have 2 newer and they dont have this problem.
Is there a parameter or setting on the machine which could overlap this contour for some amount so this problem wouldnt occur?
Thanks in advance.
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100 percent rapids medium size vmc
Let say before I write this as some of yall know Im very new to cnc machining so with that said...
100 percent rapids seems excessive on my vf4ss. When it transitions from feeds to rapids and vise versa, it just seems like thats a lot of shock and aww created when that heavy ass table all of a sudden goes from 220 or more ipm in the x+ And just slams it in reverse to go back the opposite in the x-, at 100 percent, 1400 ipm. Ive been running, right now, 25 or 50 percent bc, 100 and the machine feels like its going to start dancing across the floor. It doesnt, obviously, but it just doesnt seem like a threaded rod or much of anything could hold up to that kind of abuse for much time.
Maybe its just my inexperience and Im completely wrong?
Do you do it with yours or would you? Thats what their made for but I want real world data?
I use to wonder why people said you lose a lot of speed on the rapids whe you get up to the vf6ss and I couldnt wrap my mind around why but, I completely get it now.
100 percent rapids seems excessive on my vf4ss. When it transitions from feeds to rapids and vise versa, it just seems like thats a lot of shock and aww created when that heavy ass table all of a sudden goes from 220 or more ipm in the x+ And just slams it in reverse to go back the opposite in the x-, at 100 percent, 1400 ipm. Ive been running, right now, 25 or 50 percent bc, 100 and the machine feels like its going to start dancing across the floor. It doesnt, obviously, but it just doesnt seem like a threaded rod or much of anything could hold up to that kind of abuse for much time.
Maybe its just my inexperience and Im completely wrong?
Do you do it with yours or would you? Thats what their made for but I want real world data?
I use to wonder why people said you lose a lot of speed on the rapids whe you get up to the vf6ss and I couldnt wrap my mind around why but, I completely get it now.
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UMC-500 rigidity and surface finish issues
Anyone else with a UMC-500 having some slight issues with rigidity? Seems like even with aluminum if I want to hold any sort of tolerance I am having to add a spring pass to my finishing toolpaths.. Even running basically the same cutting parameters, tooling, etc. from previous runs of the same part in another VMC (moved setup to 5 axis to eliminate part handling between setups).
Also experiencing cutter marks on the floor of pockets, etc when the machine changes direction, these are more prevalent on aluminum parts most likely due to the increased feedrate. I have tried different G187 settings but still haven't completely figured out what's causing these issues.
I completely understand, the machine isn't going to give us the same rigidity as a traditional table travel VMC, but troubling to have these issues on finishing cuts..
Any input is appreciated as I am waiting to hear back from our HFO.
Thanks.
Also experiencing cutter marks on the floor of pockets, etc when the machine changes direction, these are more prevalent on aluminum parts most likely due to the increased feedrate. I have tried different G187 settings but still haven't completely figured out what's causing these issues.
I completely understand, the machine isn't going to give us the same rigidity as a traditional table travel VMC, but troubling to have these issues on finishing cuts..
Any input is appreciated as I am waiting to hear back from our HFO.
Thanks.
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Z axis travels a bit after selecting a different axis to jog
I’ve noticed this 3 times and the first two times I thought i was just was just imagining things but. So, If I have z selected and do my jog and then switch to x, when I start to spin the handwheel the z will travel in whatever direction Im turning the wheel for about a half inch and then the selected axis begins to travel like it’s suppose to.
I’m almost positive I read someone else had this problem but not 100 on if it was a haas and ngc but I think it was.
Anyone else had their machine do this?
Like I said it’s only happened 3 times but that could be a real headache if say your probing the top of a part and the z drops down to smash your probe when go to move in x or y.
I’m almost positive I read someone else had this problem but not 100 on if it was a haas and ngc but I think it was.
Anyone else had their machine do this?
Like I said it’s only happened 3 times but that could be a real headache if say your probing the top of a part and the z drops down to smash your probe when go to move in x or y.
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Why am I getting an alarm for renewal
My mill is 100 percent paid for so is this something haas forgot change in settings to or is it another crack in the ngc software?
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mini mill out of square after Z plunge crash
hey guys so I got a second mini mill 01 last month and its been making great parts up until yesterday when I crashed it by plunging it in rapids right into my part due to odd settings from the previous owner causing my offsets to be off by .48. unfortunately something in the head had shifted after. I rechecked my z offset and noticed that everything was .0195 higher then prior. I'm assuming that the linear bearing rails must have sliped from the crash but everything still ran fine including tool changes after I reset my tool offsets. the only thing off was the floor finish of the part. I then switched out the part for a 4x6 pallet to try faceing with a 3" facemill to find it leaving a horrible dished finish when moving in x and a huge step over when cutting in Y. From what I cant tell the head is now tilted to the left and not just by a few tenths but a decent amount. I wont know until Monday exactly how much the step was but id guess a couple thou so simply shimming the spindle doesn't seem like the fix here. I was told I may have to block the spindle then loosen the linear bearing bolts and possibly shift the whole head slightly before retightening them. I did plan on calling in a tech but figured id try something before calling in the tech. Any advice would be appreciated as the mill was perfectly square prior. I included a picture of the crash and the test face i did, you can visually and physically see the substantial step.
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160 Alarm after Rebuilt Vector Drive
So short story long, I have a 2000 VF2 that threw a vector drive alarm last month so I got in touch with NMTS and they sent me a refurbished unit.
Got it all connected and the machine ran good all weekend. The following weekend I go to turn the machine on and now I am getting a 160 low ac line voltage alarm.
Vector drive is putting out 330'ish volts on terminals 2 and 3 of the unit, line voltage coming into the machine is on the correct taps, but the control is showing 0v on the DC BUSS.
If I measure the voltage on pin P17 to the mocon board I am getting 6.4v.
Any help or thoughts would be appreciated.
Got it all connected and the machine ran good all weekend. The following weekend I go to turn the machine on and now I am getting a 160 low ac line voltage alarm.
Vector drive is putting out 330'ish volts on terminals 2 and 3 of the unit, line voltage coming into the machine is on the correct taps, but the control is showing 0v on the DC BUSS.
If I measure the voltage on pin P17 to the mocon board I am getting 6.4v.
Any help or thoughts would be appreciated.
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Is there such a thing as an acceptable step height at tool overlap?
This could all be bc I dont have much experience with milling but I do on a lathe, at least manual not cnc. So I understand tool deflection and how important feeds and speeds and other things are but when cutting with a razor sharp emdmill in aluminum,taking a skim of a cut at a depth of .015625 / 1/64, at 10,000rpm and 40 ipm, with a .375 step over, the finish should be smooth as long as machine is level and spindle is trammel, right?
I understand these arent the ideal feeds and speeds but moving at such a slow ipm there should be no material left to cut if I run back over the work without changing the z depth,right?
I can run over it 3 or 4 more times and it keeps making chips. Not like if it was a fresh cut but enough so that each pass takes off more and more and its as smooth as I think you could possible get.
Its been coining also so kinda makes me feel like its a controller problem than can be programmed out maybe?
Its weird thou bc it doesnt matter if Im spinning a 3 face mill or 1/2 endmill, the steps feel the same. Easily catch your finger nails on them. I would think that a 3 face mill with the wider tool path would have a much more pronounced step but it doesnt look that way. I broke my indicator and have another one thats suppose to be delivered today so Ill check when it comes in.
I understand these arent the ideal feeds and speeds but moving at such a slow ipm there should be no material left to cut if I run back over the work without changing the z depth,right?
I can run over it 3 or 4 more times and it keeps making chips. Not like if it was a fresh cut but enough so that each pass takes off more and more and its as smooth as I think you could possible get.
Its been coining also so kinda makes me feel like its a controller problem than can be programmed out maybe?
Its weird thou bc it doesnt matter if Im spinning a 3 face mill or 1/2 endmill, the steps feel the same. Easily catch your finger nails on them. I would think that a 3 face mill with the wider tool path would have a much more pronounced step but it doesnt look that way. I broke my indicator and have another one thats suppose to be delivered today so Ill check when it comes in.
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entering special characters on 2006 control?
I am trying to connect our 2006 TL2 to the network. I have everything functioning properly except this:
I need to enter "WIP\TL2" in the netshare path line.
I can't for the life of me figure out how to get the \ in the line. I have tried everything I found on the internet to get to the special characters (Hit F1 while in the USB or Hard drive, Hit F3) but no joy.
I am wondering if I am missing a file that the F1 command is supposed to find?
We bought the machine used and it came with a 3.5 floppy disk marked CNC data disk, however the machine doesn't have a floppy drive, just the USB.
Any suggestions? I have been talking to a tech at HFO, but he is stuck also.
Software version L07.02A
I need to enter "WIP\TL2" in the netshare path line.
I can't for the life of me figure out how to get the \ in the line. I have tried everything I found on the internet to get to the special characters (Hit F1 while in the USB or Hard drive, Hit F3) but no joy.
I am wondering if I am missing a file that the F1 command is supposed to find?
We bought the machine used and it came with a 3.5 floppy disk marked CNC data disk, however the machine doesn't have a floppy drive, just the USB.
Any suggestions? I have been talking to a tech at HFO, but he is stuck also.
Software version L07.02A
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RS-232 port #2, how to use
I am having problems with my #1 RS-232 port sending programs. I'd like to try port#2, so how do you activate it for communications.
Thanks----Mike
Thanks----Mike
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ST10Y Spindle wont spin rigid tap issue
Hey there,
So I have a fairly new ST10Y. Been trying to rigid tap (non live tool) using the main axis. When I run the operation the Z axis looks like its doing its job correctly. But the Caxis wont rotate. Just stays stationary. I'm using fusion 360 to generate the cam. Everything seems to look correct.
Made sure live tooling is off.
using latest fusion post.
Strange that the tap moves in correctly but the main spindle doesnt turn.
What could I be missing I wonder. Here is the code im running. Nothing fancy, its just a tap cycle for a 6-32 tap.
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O01001
G98 G18
G20
G50 S6000
M31
G53 G0 Y0.
G53 X0.
G53 Z0.
(Drill5)
T202
M154
G28 H0.
G99
G97
S500
G54
M8
G18
M15
G0 C0.
M14
G0 Z0.6
X0. Y0.
Z0.2
G95 X0. Y0. Z-0.3295 R0.175 F0.0312
G80
G0 Z0.6
M9
M33
G53 X0. Y0.
G53 Z0.
M135
M155
G53 G0 Y0.
M30
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So I have a fairly new ST10Y. Been trying to rigid tap (non live tool) using the main axis. When I run the operation the Z axis looks like its doing its job correctly. But the Caxis wont rotate. Just stays stationary. I'm using fusion 360 to generate the cam. Everything seems to look correct.
Made sure live tooling is off.
using latest fusion post.
Strange that the tap moves in correctly but the main spindle doesnt turn.
What could I be missing I wonder. Here is the code im running. Nothing fancy, its just a tap cycle for a 6-32 tap.
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O01001
G98 G18
G20
G50 S6000
M31
G53 G0 Y0.
G53 X0.
G53 Z0.
(Drill5)
T202
M154
G28 H0.
G99
G97
S500
G54
M8
G18
M15
G0 C0.
M14
G0 Z0.6
X0. Y0.
Z0.2
G95 X0. Y0. Z-0.3295 R0.175 F0.0312
G80
G0 Z0.6
M9
M33
G53 X0. Y0.
G53 Z0.
M135
M155
G53 G0 Y0.
M30
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Holder moving in spindle?
If I stick a tool in the spindle and mount an indicator on the table and touch off on the actual cutting tool and grab the holder right below the gauge flange and pull and push should I see any movement? Ima pretty strong 248 lb man but wouldnt think I could make this thing move as much as I did, about .0080,give or take .0005.
Its the only thing I can think of thats causing my inconsistent finish issues. I can make a cut and have steps and make the identical cut again and some step overs wont have a noticeable step at all and then theres times along a cut length where theres patches that have no step and then a step and then no step. Wish I had a better camera to take a picture.
Its the only thing I can think of thats causing my inconsistent finish issues. I can make a cut and have steps and make the identical cut again and some step overs wont have a noticeable step at all and then theres times along a cut length where theres patches that have no step and then a step and then no step. Wish I had a better camera to take a picture.
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